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Re: Curator for lugnet.trains
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lugnet.admin.general
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Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:56:08 GMT
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Larry,
You are mind bogglingly mistaken at a number of levels, but like I said
yesterday (when most your nation was spending time with their families, and
you were causing a nuisance here), I'm not going to squabble with you on this.
I have made my suggestion - reject it if you wish.
Scott A
In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.admin.general, Ross Crawford writes:
> > In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > In lugnet.trains, Ross Crawford writes:
> > >
> > > > One way to test is to keep a copy in your personal Lugnet area, and
> > > > test there,
> > > > maybe even posting a link if you want others to check it out before updating
> > > > the main page. However for something like the main trains page (or any • group's
> > > > main page), which is fairly small anyway, and generally only contains links, • I
> > > > agree it's probably not worth it.
> > >
> > > Too much cut and paste, too likely to introduce errors, too labor intensive
> > > and no real benefit.
> >
> > Well, although I agree (as I said above) that it's probably not worth the
> > effort, I'd disagreee with the rest. I've re-organised my personal LUGNET site
> > a couple of times now, and it's real easy to copy pages - just go into edit
> > mode, copy the FTX source, edit the new location and paste. And that's the
> > essence of what I was suggesting.
>
> Yes, and thanks for the suggestion. I've tried it and I find it to be error
> prone compared to edit in place.
>
> > > It's just *not like* HTML where you upload the exact
> > > page you want after checking it out locally. This is particularly true for
> > > the front page of a newsgroup, it's almost impossible to simulate offline or
> > > on a personal page.
> >
> > Well, not knowing the differences between the newsgroup front page and >personal
> > LUGNET pages[1], I can't comment on that.
> >
> > > That's just the way FTX is, it's server side, and unlike say, ASP, the
> > > server side interpeter engine isn't widely available so you can't set it up
> > > somewhere else to test with. That's not bad, it's not good, it's just the
> > > way it is.
> > >
> > > People making suggestions would do well to keep that in mind. Unless their
> > > motive is actually to stir up trouble rather than be constructive, of course.
> >
> > Ease up, Larry. I suggested what I think is a totally viable (if not always
> > practical)
>
> (as an aside, to this architect if it's not practical it's not viable)
>
> > way to test a page before updating the newsgroup front page. I
> > wasn't expecting you to implement it, that's why I made the "probably not >worth
> > it" comment. I still think it's a useful suggestion for curators, even if you
> > choose not to use it for .trains. Making snide remarks doesn't do anyone any
> > good.
>
> I don't see *you* stirring up trouble. My (not snide, by the way) remark
> wasn't directed at you. Nor was it directed at the half dozen fine folks
> who, while Scott was sniping at me with apparently no FTX experience and no
> additional information to offer (telling me that something, missing
> yesterday when I took over, that I marked as "link?" doesn't have a link
> isn't exactly news, it's carping), sent me links and suggestions offline.
> All of which have been incorporated in either .trains or .trains.org
>
> Thank you, Ross, for your process related suggestion. While I don't think
> it's feasible for me, for reasons I gave, others may indeed find it useful.
>
> A BIG thanks to James Brown for your wealth of information on how better to
> do FTX editing and pointers to numerous samples and ways to see the source
> including the revision history. Thank yous also to Russell Clark, Chris
> Leach, Mike Walsh, James Trobaugh, Kevin Wilson, Jake McKee and others for
> your suggested links and organizational thoughts, sent in via email as I
> requested.
>
> And a big hearty NO THANK YOU to Scott Arthur for starting (and continuing)
> yet another public bicker, and for doing so in the wrong group. Your carping
> was not appreciated. Your suggestions, such as they are, have been noted,
> and rejected. I will continue to leave markers in place for missing
> information if I feel that information is important enough to want to see it
> get filled in. I will continue to leave inside jokes in place, as it is my
> view that the process of "getting" the inside joke builds community as it
> draws the newcomer in.
>
> That is all.
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